Crux Australis Monthly Letter
October 1996

Thomas Flamanc of Kelsale (John Sawyer)
1/13 Stockdale Ave
Clayton North, VIC 3168

Cover Letter

Hi, here it is again, another issue of CAM(e)L. Firstly this month I would like to thank Mistress Jaelle of Armida Laurel Queen of Arms for her visit to Lochac, I thinks most people who met her (at least here in Stormhold) would have found the meeting useful. I know I did. I would also like to send her apologies to those she could not meet but as she said five cities in less than three weeks is really the most you could possibly do.

Things are getting organised here so if you have written to me and are still waiting for an answer more than likely your letter is missing so please do not hesitate to contact me.

I would also like to remind you all once again that if you step up into a position it is you responsibility to get in contact with me. If I know that someone is stepping down but their successor has not contacted me, I don't have their address and there is not much I can do except write to the group Seneschal. I have been quite lenient up until know about this sort of thing but be warned, I am going to crack down!

Thomas Flamanc of Kelsale
Crux Australis Herald.


Important Addresses

Crux Australis Herald: Thomas Flamanc of Kelsale (John Sawyer), 1/13 Stockdale Ave Clayton North, VIC 3168. Ph (03)9543-4847. Email

C.A.M.(e).L. is avaliable from Crux Australis at $25.00 per year. Make cheques and money orders out to "S.C.A. Inc. College of Heralds."


Those nice people who came and helped!

This meeting was held at the Lochac Heraldic Collegium, with various people present including but not limited to:

Mistress Jaelle of Armida, (Laurel Queen of Arms, although she reserved her comments most of the time as she will see it soon enough),
Master Thorfinn Hrolfsson, (Hund Herald),
Master Pedair MacFarland of Cluan Bige, (Gouté D'Eau Pursuivant),
Mistress Adrienne Fieldyng de Faux (St Barthomew's P.E.),
Lord Drogo von Königsburg (P.E. at Large),
Lady Eleanora de la Birch (Acting P.E. for St Cecilia's),
my wife Lady Marguerite Russell of Paisley (Cornet),
Lady Marared coed Radnor (Cornet, although I plan to do something about it :-)),
Lady Margie of Glen Mór,
various others who I have completely forgotten sorry,
and of course myself.

Future meetings will generally be held on the second Sunday of the month at my place starting about 2pm. Please call ahead as it is somewhat variable and occasionally the meetings go "on tour".



1. Adam Girard
Mundane Name: Adam Charter
Group: Mordenvale

Change of Name. French.

Adam - p2 [1], [4]
Girard p455 [3] as a variant of Gérard

Both of these names are listed as being from the Alsace/Loraine District so go together geographically, although they unfortunately have no dates. I can seem no obvious problem however.

Consulting Herald: The submittor


2. Katerina illa Raedaria
Mundane Name: Kathryn Vickers
Group: Politarchopolis

New name. Latin.

This name was submitted as Katerina ille Radarius but was changed to have the correct gender for the byname. The name is intended to mean Katerina the (driver or coachman). Whilst this seems an unlikely name to me I can find no reason for return.

Katerina p186-187 [4] dated 1996-1215, 1273, 1428. It should be noted that the standard latin would be Caterina.

Raedarius, meaning a driver of a "raed" can be found in the Cassels Latin Dictionary as can "Ille" as a preposition used for emphasis. Whilst it is my opinion that the illa is unnecessary there does not seem to be any reason why it is unreasonable so I will do no more than correct the spelling. The name of course would be much better as Caterina Raedarius.

Consulting Herald: Sigmund Spelman


3. Margie of Glen Mór
Mundane Name: Margie Henley
Group: Stormhold

Change of Holding Name. Scotts/English

This Lady's device was registered at the Laurel Meeting of the 8th June 1996 under the holding name Margie of Stormhold. As "Margie" was registered to her, it should be covered by the "grandfather clause." The rest of the name was acceptable then so should now be registerable. Of course, documentation is always of value.

Glen Mór is the great glen of Scotland (according to the submittor) and this spelling is found in Bain R, Clans and Tartans of Scotland (Williams Collins 1990) on p 314.

Consulting Herald: Lots of People including Pedair, Thorfinn, Jaelle and someone called Thomas Flamanc of Kelsale


4. Milborough Aldaway
Mundane Name: Wendy Martin
Group: Rowany

Resubmission of Device to Principality. Bendy paley argent and sable on an inescutcheon argent a cat sejant to sinister sable

This lady's name was submitted to Vesper on the August CAMeL. Her previous device was returned for redrawing on the same letter because the field division on the bordure could not be identified. This has now been rectified.

This device was submitted with the blazon Argent a cat sejant to sinister within a bordure bendy paley argent and sable. However after a close look at the emblazon (which is, after all, what we register), it is definitely an inescutcheon on a field not a bordure.

Consulting Herald: Alarice Beatrix von Thal


5. Torlyon, Shire of
Group: Yass NSW

Resubmission of name and device to Principality. Per chevron argent and azure two laurel wreaths and a cross flory argent counter changed.

Language: English

This groups name and device were returned in September 1994 due to a lack of paper work for the name and a conflict for the device. The device is now clear as the conflict no longer exists under the modest proposal. This time name forms have been supplied, along with one copy of the petition. I will be nice this time but please everyone remember that you need to send four copies of all the documents for a name. In the future that I will not be so nice!

The name is constructed along the same lines as those found on p477 of [2], eg. Torbriane dated 1238, meaning the hill belonging to Brian. There are another six examples.

Lyon can be found on p 288 of ibid. dated 1293. This name is then constructed to mean the hill belonging to the family of Lyon.

Consulting Herald: Christoval



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E.G. Withycombe. The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names. O.U.P., Oxford, third edition, 1977.