Mistress Aislinn de Valence
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Submissions to Laurel | March
Those wonderful people who helped.
Dafydd Wallraven (David Carlisle), William Blackwode (Andrew
Kenner), Tovye Woolmongere (Tony Stankiewicz) PE, Armand de Rochefort (Alan
Ogden) Acting Frette Rouge Pursiuvant, Katerina da Brescia (Karen Ogden)
Osgot of Corfe (David Carter) , and Aislinn de Valence (Megan Dansie) Crux
Sunday 3rd May, 2pm. Meetings will usually be on the first Sunday
of the month at 2pm. Call first if you are bringing a submission to the
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Positions vacant:Field/voice deputy; regional mentors.
C.A.M.(e).L. is available from Crux Australis at $20 per year.
Make cheques payable to "SCA Inc. College of Heralds".
Note that due to lower production costs, the Camel will cost $20 a year
from 1st January 1998.
Laurel's Letter of Acceptance and Return is available from the SCA College
of Arms, C/O Mistress Sionyn Muirgen niDhomnall, Pelican Queen of Arms,
Jackie Watson, 3532 Winding Wind Cove, Bartlett, TN 38135-3044, USA for
US$25 per year. Make cheques payable to "SCA Inc. - College of Arms".
Please note that everything of relevance to Lochac will be published in
I had two Camels returned to me last month because the labels
fell off. Please let me know if you missed the March issue.
This month, more from Master Gereint's Heraldic Policy, with updates by
Some Jargon Explained
Over the years, some standard jargon and abbreviations have come into common
use among heralds. Many of them are only used in LOCs and COCs among the
CoA and by Laurel on her LoARs, but the CoH often sees in the Camels
the ones that I put in the LoIs. A short "field guide" follows:
[Title] PH:"PH" simply stands for "Principal Herald".
Each kingdom has one. Each kingdom also has a ..
CoH: A "CoH" is a "College of Heralds" and each
kingdom has one that acts relatively independently. Each kingdom determines
who can be a member of their CoH, but the West Kingdom College of Heralds
consists of the Vesper PH, the staff heralds, the Principality Heralds,
all territorial heralds and the rostered "at large" Pursuivants
and Pursuivants Extraordinary. In each kingdom, some subset of the CoH processes
submissions on (ideally) a monthly basis and a designated herald then writes
up a LoI to send out to the CoA for comment.
CoA: The "College of Arms consists of the Laurel and Pelican
Sovereigns of Arms, the warranted heralds on Laurel staff, the PH of each
kingdom, and such other persons as Laurel may deem to be of assistance.
CoA members of the West include Vesper, Bratchet and Hund Heralds, all of
whom comment on LoIs.
LoI: If you are a regular reader of the Camel, you'll know
that every month I include minutes of my meetings. Every month the "submitted"
section is slightly rewritten and becomes a letter sent to Lady Laurel and
the CoA. It starts with the words, "It is the intent of the Lochac
CoH to register the following...". It is called therefore, a "Letter
of Intent". (The "returns" part of the minutes stays within
Lochac). Copies of the LoI are sent to Laurel and the rest of the CoA- about
55 people. At the moment, we save on postage, as Lady Laurel kindly accepts
an electronic version, and copies and posts them for me, so I only have
to pay internal US mailing rates for most of them, not Australian airmail
I have received reports for the March quarter from the following
Stormhold: Acting Gouty d'Eau Pursuivant that the barony has been
quiet. The cantons of Krae Glas and Brin-a-Mor have both had some activity.
The latter's name and device submission is in this Camel.
He asks if I could change my reporting to half yearly, as some groups, in
particular the colleges , find quarterly reports a strain. I decided to
ask for quarterly reports as there are some groups that have not reported
for a long time. If a group misses a half-yearly report, the information
I have about the group may be over a year old. Reporting is a requirements
of all offices, and I simply want to hear, in writing, how the group is
going, who is doing good work, and if there are any problems I can help
with. I will not be changing my reporting requirements while there are problems
with the timing and contents of reports from several groups. Sub groups
should report through the barony. If the colleges have not given you a written
report, I rely on you to ask for one, or at least to obtain and write down
an oral report.
I am glad to hear the colleges will give me midyear reports.
Ynys Fawr: Acting Dromaond Pursuivant has been steadily submitting . The
incipient canton of Hunter's Isle and the college of St Gildas the Wise
have both changes heralds. I welcome Lord Darius of Drogheda and Ysoldte
la Rouge to the CoH. Don't forget they need to write to me personally to
River Haven: Aquarius Pursuivant has given a comprehensive report. She produces
an excellent newsletter for the heralds in her barony.
Agaricus: Lysander has just taken on the job, but is working on several
device submissions. The incipient college of St Malachy has an enthusiastic
herald (who has not written to me to be rostered ..hint..). Lysander has
found the Internet has many valuable heraldic resources. He has used it
to get comments on proposed devices from heralds around the world. He asked
which online resources are considered adequate name resources. I do not
know of any that have been give the status of ,say, Reany. Any online
site should be treated like a print book. Include the usual number of copies
of the page, and include the main home page if that will assist in showing
the site is authoritative. A web address alone is not sufficient.
Innilgard: Another comprehensive report from the Acting Fret Rouge Pursuivant.
There are several new heralds in training. I welcome Tanya of Shoreham to
the CoA as the new PE for Foxwood (formerly Armandie). She and another trainee
have enrolled in an adult education course in voice production. I commend
this, and suggest that anyone with projection difficulties look for a similar
Aneala: the outgoing Blackwing Pursuivant sent me a comprehensive report.
I thank him for his service, and welcome Viscount Kane Greymane to the office.
Please note that I do not roster cornets unless they are group heralds.
Cornet is a term for any non rostered herald doing a heraldic duty at the
time. If you have active cornets , you may wish to consider if they are
ready to be rostered as PEs, and let me know.
No reports received this quarter from: Amesbury*, Dismal Fogs, Mordenvale,
Politarchopolis, Rowany*, St Florians*, St Ursula, St Bartholomew, St Cecelia,
St Moncia, Stahlburg*, Torlyon. Those groups with a * did not report in
the last round of reports either. If I do not receive a report from those
groups next round, I will be removing people from the roster.
The next reports are due one month before July Coronet. The exact date will
be in the next Camel.
Master (Thorfinn) þorfinn is the Australian Agent for
Free Trumpet Press. He carries the Ordinary and Armorial, and other useful
publications. Contact þorfinn directly for the latest prices.
I also recommend that groups acquire some name resources, in particular
Reaney, P.H. & Wilson, R.M. A dictionary of English Surnames
and Withycombe ,E.G. The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names.
The Crux Australis web page at http://www.sca.org.au/herald
contains useful information for heralds, and links to the SCA Heraldry
page, and other general SCA pages. If you have web access, I recommend that
you take a look.
Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web
page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry including the Laurel home page,
on-line armorial and ordinary search, and the Academy of St. Gabriel (a
heraldic consultation service).
Cost: $15 per name, and $15 per device or badge. No cost for
resubmissions. Make cheques payable to "SCA Inc College of Heralds".
We currently send US$3 (approximately AUS$4.50) to Laurel for each item
This will rise as of 1st January 1998 to US$4 (approximately AUS$ 5.90).
I will try and absorb the cost increase form as long as possible, but if
the Aussie dollar continues to drop, I will have to increase my charges.
Copies required for submissions:
- Names: 4 copies of Name form and ALL documentation, including title
page of each book.
- Devices/Badges: 4 COLOUR copies and one BLACK & WHITE copy.
The colour copies should be accurately coloured, preferably in felt tip
pen. e.g.. Crayola Classic Colours. Faint colour printers or faint coloured
pencil is not acceptable. The colours must be visible across a crowded Herald's
I will reject submissions without a black and white copy as
I need to scan it to produce the Letter of Intent for Laurel.
Submissions to Laurel
Please check that submitters have ALL documentation. Remember, they have
to present their submission in a way that makes registration easy. Name
documentation should be as accurate as possible, and copies supplies unless
the reference is standard such as Reaney and Withycombe. Even then, the
page and edition should be quoted.
I know that some of you have few name resources. There is a lot of help
available if you ask for it. I or someone overseas may well be able to help
with that tricky name. If you cannot document a name well, you can still
submit it, BUT submitters should be made aware that if they check the 'make
no changes' box, their name will be returned even if ONE letter is incorrect.
Most submissions I have seen are of an excellent quality. However, it saddens
me to return a good submission just because the artwork or documentation
1. André Davignon
From Laurel's March Letter of Acceptances
Mundane name: Michael James Kenner
Consulting Herald: William Forrester de Blacwode
André appears in Withycombe p23 and "Dictionnaire étymologique
des noms de famille et prénoms de France" , Albert Dauzat (1951)
at p9. It is the French form of Andrew. Davignon is a variation on
the locative d'Avignon., Dauzart p18 gives this variation. References
in another book by Dauzart , "Les Noms de Famille de France" ,
p130, p136, 306&266 supports this spelling. However, it does not make
it clear whether this is a period variant. Remember, it is not enough to
show the name appeared in a particular language, it must be provably period
also. We believe that the pronunciation is sufficiently different to clear
it from Ambré d'Avignon (registered May 86).
The submitter will accept Andre, without the accent, and the spelling
d'Avignon as second preferences. He will also accept minor changes
to grammar and spelling.
2. André the Rorqual
Mundane name: Andrew Serpell
Consulting herald: Drogo von Konigsberg
New Name see Returns for Device
André appears in Withycombe p23 and "Dictionnaire étymologique
des noms de famille et prénoms de France" , Albert Dauzat (1951)
at p9. It is the French form of Andrew. Rorqual is the French zoological
term for whale or finback. Cassells French-English, English-French Dictionary
8th ed pp447,659,75. A dictionary is not sufficient documentation or name
usage. The documentation did not show that the grammar or usage was correct.
The name would be improved by being changed to André le Rorqual
as that would put all parts of the name in the one language. The submitter
will allow minor changes to grammar or spelling, and will accept the alternative
André le Rorqual.
3. Bryn-a-Môr, Canton of
Consulting Herald: Cadno
New Name and Device
Per fess wavy Or and barry wavy azure and Or, in chief three arrows inverted
palewise surmounted by a bow fesswise and in base a laurel wreath vert.
The submission includes a petition of support from the populace and officers,
and a letter of support from the Baron and Baroness. The submitters claim
the name is Welsh for Hill and Sea. Unfortunately Crux does not have
a Welsh dictionary, and I hope that the College can assist in confirming
this. I sent this up with some misgivings, as I am fairly sure that
the form is not a usual one for a Welsh place name. Putting a name together
from words in a dictionary does not ensure grammatical correctness, or that
the result is in period style.
4. Raffaella de Monza
Mundane name: Kaye Kieni
Group: St Bartholomew
Consulting herald: Drogo von Kongisberg
New Name and Device
Per chevron sable and azure in chief two roses and in base a rabbit sejant
Raffaella is the feminine of the Italian name Raffaello, as
in the painter, Rafaello Sanzio, 1483-1520. de Monza is a locative
. Monza is an Italian village dating back to the 9th Century. Britannia
vol 8p298.Please do not supply web pages (or any documentation) in a language
other than English without a translation. Web pages should have some indication
given of their origin/home page. The submitter allows corrections of grammar
and spelling to make it correct Italian. We believe the device should be
clear of Gwenedd Rose Fitzgerald Per chevron sable and azure two chevronels
surmounted by a sword palewise transfixing five rabbits and in chief two
roses argent. We count one CD for the chevronels, and one for the sword
with the dead bunnies. We say the roses make a separate charge group.
5. Saint Malachy, College of
Consulting heralds: Lysander le Mechant and Caswallon
New Name and Device
Argent, within a laurel wreath vert in pale two hammers in saltire above
an anvil sable, on a chief wavy vert an open book argent.
The submission is accompanied by the appropriate petition.. Saint Malachy
is in Britanica Vol7 p721, and the Catholic Encyclopaedia p101. Please include
a copy of the frontispiece of each book you use as documentation. He was
canonised in 1199. The College will accept minor changes in spelling.
The hammers originally blazoned as armourers hammers. The Pic Dic
calls the hammers in the emblazon war hammers.
6. Wilfred de Ackelonde
Mundane name: James Agland
Group: St Florians
Consulting herald: Catrin of Kilkenny
New Name see Returns for device
Wilfred is in Withycombe p293, a bishop by that name lived
634-709. The submitter has produced secondary documentation from Heraldic
Design in England dating a Robert de Acland to 1257 and Richard
Ackelonde to 1327 from subsidy rolls. This appeared to be from some
sort of family history company, and did not appear to me to be reliable.
The submitter appears to claim it is a form of his mundane surname of Agland.
He will accept dropping the "de" and minor changes to grammar
7. William Forester de Blacwode
Mundane Name: Andrew Kenner
Consulting herald: himself
Resubmission of Name and Device. Returned in March 1998.
Argent, a tree sable within an orle azure.
The Submitter's original name of William Blacwode was returned for
conflict with William Blackwood.. The addition of an occupational
byname, and conversion of Blacwode to a locative should clear the conflict.
William is in Withycombe p293, dated to 1067. Forester is
in Reaney p174.(John Forester 1183). de Blacwode is in Reaney p37(
William de Blacwode 1327) and Ekwall (le Blacwode 1308).
We count at least two CDs from Brandy of Mirkwood ,Azure a tree issuant
from base sable Note that colour on colour is no longer allowable. This
device dates to 1971!
8. Ysabeau de Vézelay
Mundane name: Anne Serpell
Consulting herald: Drogo von Konigsberg
New Name see Returns for device
Ysabeau is a French form of Isabeau. Ysabeau de Baveie was Queen to Charles
VI of France. This spelling appears in a French web site, http://axel.pd.saga-u.ac.jp/htmldata/CCdata/Ysabeau.htm.
Vézelay is located in Burgundy and was the starting point
of the Second Crusade. Britannia Vol 12 p 341.and Chronicles of the Crusades,
author unknown, 1996ed.
9. Ysabella de Montrose
Mundane name: Fiona Cook
Group: Hunters Isle
Consulting herald: Francis of Hexham
New device, Name submitted March 1998.
Quarterly Or and sable in dexter chief a rose proper.
1. André the Rorqual
Device see Submissions for name
Argent, a whale azure.
While this device appears free of conflict based on the blazon, we could
not send it up to Laurel because of the emblazon (picture). The whale as
depicted was not recognisable as a whale. There does not appear to be a
default species of whale, and we could find no documentation of the depiction
as a period heraldic practice. The device will be returned to the submitter
for a redraw, or proof that this is a period heraldic depiction. There is
no default position for a whale. The default position for a fish is naiant,
and this whale appears to be naiant also.
2. Wilfred de Ackelonde
Device, see submissions for name
Chequy argent and sable on a bend gules three oak proper. This should
be blazoned Chequy sable and argent on a bend gules three oak trees palewise
proper. Unfortunately, the proper trees, being brown and green, cannot
be placed upon a gules bend. You cannot use proper to escape the rules of
tincture. The RfS VIII.2. state that all armory must have sufficient contrast
to allow each element to be clearly identifiable at a distance. Good contrast
exists between a colour and a charge, blazoned as proper, that is predominantly
light (rfs VIII.2.a.iii). Here, the trees are predominantly dark.
The device therefore is returned for a redesign.
Incidentally, I reblazoned the field as sable and argent, as the tincture
in the dexter chief (top left )corner is given first in such cases. The
trees are palewise, as if no position is given, they follow the direction
of the bend, ie lean at 45 degrees.
2. Ysabeau de Vézelay
Device, see submissions for name
Purpure a monkey passant Or. This device appears free of conflicts.
Unfortunately, the monkey was coloured orange, not yellow on the submission
forms. Laurel; has recently refused to accept orange as a substitute for
Or. The device is returned to have the forms recoloured.
Chronicles of the Crusades, author unknown, 1996ed.
Cassells French-English, English-French Dictionary 8th ed
Dictionnaire étymologique des noms de famille et prénoms de
France, Albert Dauzat (1951)
Les Noms de Famille de France, Albert Dauzat
Ekwall Eilert, The Concise Oxford Dictionary of English Place Names. 4th
New Encyclopaedia Britannia 15th Ed.
Reaney P.H., 'A Dictionary of British Surnames', Routledge & Kegan Paul
Withycombe E.G., The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names, Oxford
University Press, UK, 1979
Guy le Bastard. Name.
Maidiú Ruadh. Name (see RETURNS for device).
Meriel of Dunheved. Name and device. Argent, a griffin segreant on a chief
vert, three roses argent.
Nathan Blacktower. Name and device. Vert, on a bend sinister cotised Or,
a tower palewise sable, and in canton a broadarrow inverted Or.
Tanya of Shoreham. Device. Or, on a lozenge purpure, a lightning bolt Or,
a bordure embattled purpure.
Returned for further work
Edward the Unshaven. Name. This is being returned for incorrect construction.
The byname uses a past participle verb, an extremely rare practice in period
and has been banned several times in the past. Period bynames referring
to the lack of a beard include Berdles, and Scauwel.
Gruffydd ap Cynan. Name and device. Sable, two serpents interwined and respecting
each other argent and Or, an orle of gouts of flames proper. The name conflicts
with Gruffudd ap Cynan, one of the better-known medieval Welsh kings (largely
due to the survival of a biography of him, written shortly after his death
-- the only known secular biography in Medieval Welsh). The armory is being
returned for a redraw. These are not proper flames, but rather flames Or
charged with a flames gules.
Maidiu Ruadh. Device. Gules, a lymphad, sail furled in base five mullets
in chevron inverted and on a chief wavy argent, two broad arrows inverted
gules. An "arch" of stars (inverted or not) has been disallowed
in armory for some years now. "The design, although pretty, is not
heraldic. A circle of stars may surround an entire charge or group of charges,
but stars surrounding only part of a charge is fantasy art." (Baldwin
of Erebor, LoAR 28 September 1984, p. 14) "It has been ruled that an
arch of charges is not period heraldic style. The ruling was originally
for an arch of stars: 'Stars surrounding only part of a charge is fantasy
art.' [BoE, 28 Sept 84] It has since been extended to any charges 'in arch'."
(Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme, LoAR October 1992, p. 30). Additionally,
the chief should have deeper waves and the mullets should be drawn larger.
William Blacwode. Name and device. Azure, on a pale argent three trees in
pale sable. The name conflicts with William Blackwood, a Scottish publisher
from the early 19th century. He has his own entry in the Encyclopedia Britannica,
and therefore is important enough to protect. The armory conflicts with
Corrmacc na Connacht (Azure on a pale argent, a sword inverted gules), Barony
of Illiton (Azure on a pale argent a mermaid erect affronty proper, scaled
Or, crined vert maintaining in her right hand a trident bendwise sinister
and in her left and upraised hand a grey granite tower proper, and in base
a laurel wreath vert), and Guatemala (Azure, on a pale argent a wreath vert
surmounted by two rifles bayonets fixed surmounted in base by two sabres
in saltire proper all surmounted by an open scroll palewise argent charged
with the words LIBERTAD 15 DE SEPTIEMBRE DE 1821 Or and perched thereon
a quetzal bird vert bellied gules). In each case there is just the single
CD for changes to the tertiaries.
Further points for interest from Laurel's letter
Hakon Gordon. Device. Per pale sable and Or, a reremouse displayed head
to dexter, tail elongated to base between three points pointed counterchanged.
"Although all three 'points' are mentioned in heraldic tracts, in practice
only the base one appears to have been used; and even in the tracts, the
dexter and sinister points are described as abatements of honor, to be used
separately, and not in conjunction." (Da'ud ibn Auda, LoAR April 1992,
p. 19). Furthermore, the combination of the points, the reremouse, and the
counterchanging, make this into "op art" and not heraldry.
Jasper Murtagh. Device. Chevronelly inverted argent and gules, a dragon
sejant erect maintaining a sword palewise purpure. This conflicts with Giesele
Hildegaard of the Mystic Dragon Argent, a lion-tailed, fire-breathing sea
dragon erect purpure., with one CD for the difference in field. Even if
there was no conflict, this would have had to have been returned for the
use of hot pink for purple. Thorvald Ingvarsson. Badge. (Fieldless) A brown
oak leaf bendwise sinister proper. This is an unwarranted extension of the
concept of "brown [charges] proper". This usage applies to charges
which, in their natural state, would reasonably be assumed to be brown.
These include objects made of leather or wood. Most animals are included
as well, unless there is some obvious other natural coloration. The question
is not whether the charge could reasonably be found in nature as brown,
nor if it is the only possible color. The criterion is whether, absent any
further information, brown is the obvious choice. This is consistent with
period heraldry's use of brown animals and inanimate objects. The word "brown"
is often included in the blazon, but this is merely for clarity's sake and
does not seem to be a feature of period blazons. A good test is if it is
actually necessary for an accurate reproduction. A leaf does not fall within
this criterion. A reader would most likely interpret "a leaf proper"
as being green. The inclusion of "brown" in the blazon is necessary
for the emblazon. In the absence of any specific documentation of brown
leaves in period heraldry, this must be returned.
Position Openings - Laurel and Pelican Sovereign of Arms
The Laurel Sovereign of Arms (Laurel) is the principal heraldic officer
of the Society and the head of the College of Arms. Laurel is responsible
for fostering the study and practice of heraldry, processing submissions,
and overseeing the heraldic activities of the Known World. The Pelican Sovereign
of Arms (Pelican) is a major deputy of Laurel. Because the duties required
to operate the College of Arms and process submissions are so great, this
position was split in two several years ago. Previous incarnations of Laurel
and Pelican have split the job into names, and devices & administration.
The current split is for submissions and administration. Applicants may
use either of these configurations, or a new one which better fit the applicant's
skills. The Board will accept applications from an individual or a team
to perform the duties of these offices; however, they will not accept applications
where only part of these duties will be assumed. Laurel and Pelican are
unpaid positions. Laurel currently requires approximately 20 hours a week
(primarily submissions processing) plus about 10-20 hours a week for Laurel
staff. Also required is office space sufficient for 18 filing cabinets,
27 boxes of "to be archived" submissions files, five boxes of
"currently in process" submissions, five boxes of binders with
"archive" copies of armory, and about 20 more boxes of assorted
books, etc.), plus the computers, computer programs and documentation, backup
tapes and disks, printer, photocopier, and flatbed color scanner. The position
requires tact and patience, local staff to assist in the weekly filing (an
average of 3 people at least once a week), armory and onomastic knowledge,
bureaucratic ability, the ability to meet tight deadlines and produce a
Laurel letter of Acceptance and Return monthly, computer literacy and word
processing skills, e-mail access, and time and ability to travel. Resumes
should be made in writing to the SCA office, at Box 360789, Milpitas, CA
95036. If anyone has any questions regarding the workload or the job function,
feel free to contact the current Laurel (Judy Gerjuoy, (202) 726-4396, (email@example.com).
They forgot to include a deadline for resumes; they will be following it
up with the amendment below.
The Directors continue to accept resumes for the positions of Treasurer
and Laurel Sovereign of Arms. Please send resumes to The SCA, Box 360789,
Milpitas CA 95036, Attn: Resumes. The last day for acceptance is July 1.
It is our understanding that at the July 1998 Board meeting the Board will
decide on who the next Laurel and Pelican will be. Sionyn and I will be
reapplying for our jobs.
After reviewing the commentary on the Russian titles, we have decided to
adopt the proposed new title set. Below you will see the revised list:
King Tsar, Queen Tsaritsa
Prince Tsarevich, Princess Tsarevna
Duke Kniaz, Duchess Kniaginia
Count Kniaz, Countess Kniaginia
Viscount Kniaz, Viscountess Kniaginia
Master Master, Mistress Master
Knight Rytsar, Sir --
Baron Posadnik/Voevoda, Baroness Posadnitsa/Voevoda
Lord Pomestnik, Lady Pomestnitsa