From Baryl - April Meeting Results

The April meeting was held on Tuesday 4th April 2006. Present at the meeting were Wakeline de Foxley, Crux Australis Herald; Massaria da Cortona, Baryl Herald; Hrolf Herjolfssen Herald Extraordinary, Snorri Bldhdrekkr ar dhinslundi and Declan of Drogheda Pursuivants Extraordinary and interested onlooker Beatrix Aetholsdotter of Jelling.

Submissions Forwarded to Laurel

1. Alesone inghean Torcail

Device Resubmission.

Per pall inverted argent, sable and purpure, two horses heads cabossed counterchanged and in base a sun in splendour Or.

This device was originally returned in March for a redraw as the line of division was neither per pale and chevron nor per pale with a base. This version corrects the problem.

The submitter's name appeared on Lochac's January 2006 LoI.

Alesone's device

2. Aliénor of Essewell

New name submission.

The submitter seeks a feminine name and will not accept any changes. She wishes her name to be authentic for the English language/culture.

Alienor appears as a variant of the name Eleanor in Withycombe. This variant (along with Eleanor and Elianor) is said to be a usual form of the name between the 12th and 15th centuries. The spelling of the name including the accent is cited only as the Provencal root of the name. We feel that the name would be improved by dropping the accent, but must leave it because of the submitter's requirements for no changes.

Essewell is found in Ekwall s.n. Ashwell. It is cited as occurring in 1202. The name is said to mean "Ash-stream".

3. Giles Leabrook

Blanket Permission to Conflict with Name.

Azure on a bend argent three roses azure barbed and seeded argent.

The submitter has included a letter that conforms to the standard letter given in the Administrative Handbook. He additionally notes that he grants permission for registration of names identical to his registered name (should that ever become possible).

The submitter's name was registered in January 1989 via the West Kingdom.

4. Griffin Westcastle

Device Resubmission.

Per fess indented sable and argent, on a pale counterchanged between two griffins argent a griffin argent.

This device was originally returned by Crux in March 2005 as the forms were too low resolution, the emblazon was resized and the sable on the device was an oddly tinted with green. This version is coloured with texta and thus is free of the previous problems.

The submitter's name was registered in the July 2005 LoAR.

Griffin's device

5. Roxana Grenelefe

New name and device submission.

Per pile throughout azure estencelly Or and argent, a vine leaf vert.

The submitter seeks a feminine name and will allow minor changes. She makes no request for authenticity.

Roxana is the submitter's legal given name. She has included a photocopy of her driver's license and wishes to register this name element under the mundane name allowance.

Grenelefe is said to appear in Bardsley, though We don't have copy of the book and thus can't check the citation. Grenelefe also apparently also appears in Reaney and Wilson, 3rd ed s.n. Greenleaf, where it is said to have occurred in 1441. Sadly the Crux Australis library only includes the 2nd edition of R&W (where it does not appear), so we can't check that either. We will beg the College's indulgence in this matter and send it up with this information that they may verify it for us.

Roxana's device

6. Torcail MacLeòid

Device resubmission.

Per pall inverted argent, sable and per pale sable and argent, two bull's heads cabossed and a sun in splendour counterchanged.

This device was originally returned by Crux in January 2005 as the field division was neither per pale and per chevron no per pale with a base counterchanged. This version has corrected the previous problems.

The submitter's name appeared on Lochac's January 2006 LoI.

Torcail's device

Submissions Returned by Crux


Submissions Pended by Crux

We were forced to pend several submissions due to lack of time and the imminent approach of festival (normally, all this background work is done before the meeting). Anything that appears here will go up in the May LoI once the submitters have been contacted with minor questions which we could not get to because the LoI was due the day after we got back. [Crux and Baryl feel guilty but not as guilty as we would have if we had done this instead of organising the heraldry for festival!]

1. Annabelle Perrot

New name and device submission.

Gules, two lions rampant addorsed tails entwined Or langued and clawed azure and on a chief dancetty Or, five annuli azure.

The submitter requests an authentic English/French/Scottish feminine name from between 1450 and 1550. She wants the name to be authentic for both language and time period and will allow only minor changes.

To support the given name, the submitter states that Annabella is found as a header spelling in Withycombe with several variants and also in Talan Gwynek's article on " Feminine Given Names in "A Dictionary of English Surnames"" in which the forms Annabel, Anabel, Anabella, Anabilia, Anabilla, Anabille, Anabul, Annabel and Annabel appear. This is all true, however, none of these are that requested by the submitter and we could not find anything additional to support this spelling. As she will accept minor changes we would normally change the spelling to one of the documentable forms, we are pending it to ask her which one she would like, we suggest Anabelle which appears in the early 1400s as documented in Saint Gabriel report #1011.

Perrot is found in "Given Names from Brittany, 1384-1600" by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn dated to 1444 [, accessed 22nd April 2006.]

Anabelle's device

2. Avery of the Wode

Quarterly azure and argent, in bend sinister a winged serpent and a winged serpent contourny embowed, counterembowed sable.

Name and device Resubmission.

The submitter's original name "Avery the Seeker" was returned in March 2006 by Crux for lack of documentation of the element "the Seeker". This version is completely different and so has none of the previous problems. The submitter's original device "Gyronny sable and vet a dragon's eye Or" was return in March 2006 by Crux as it violated RfS VIII.2.b(iv)and the primary charge is no longer registerable in the SCA. This version is completely different and so has none of the previous problems.

The submitter requests an authentic 13th century English masculine name and will allow only minor changes.

Avery is found in Saint Gabriel Report # 838 as an English given name dated to 1273 [, accessed 27th of January 2006].

The name was originally submitted as Avery of the Wood and no documentation was supplied for the locative byname of the Wood. We find several 13th centuries versions of the name spelt as Wode in Reaney and Wilson s.n. Wood; de la Wode dated to 1242, del Wode dated to 1274, Atewode dated to 1274, the Wode and a la Wodedated to 1275, in la Wode dated to 1279, of the Wode dated to 1285 and at the Wode dated to 1293. All of the above examples are locative bynames relating to residence in or near a wood, however there are other 13th century citations for the name from it's alternate meaning; le Wode which occurs in 1221, Wod which is found in 1230 and le Wod dated to 1275. The alternate meaning for wode is "frenzied or wild" hence Shakespeare's "And here am I, and wood within the wood" from A Midsummer Night's Dream.

We are thus pending this request to explain to the submitter that we wish to honour his request for authenticity and change the spelling to "Wode" and check that is alright despite the other meaning of the word. Also, we are going to ask he might consider making the serpents in his device face the same direction, which would be more consistent with period heraldic practice.

Avery's device

3. Ayla die Pferd Bogenschütze

Argent, on a chevron between two bows in chevron strung to base and a quiver with three arrows purpure, four horse shoes inverted argent.

Device Resubmission.

The submitter's original device "Argent, on a chevron between a bow fesswise strung to base and a quiver with three arrows purpure, four horse shoes inverted argent" was return in March 2006 by Crux for a redraw as the chevron was too low. We are delighted that the submitter has taken our suggestions for a reblazon and included two bows instead which gives a much better balanced device. While there is nothing wrong with this device we are forced to pend it as we have not yet contacted the submitter about her name which was pended in March 2006 as it is improperly constructed. As we can not submit a device without a name we must sort out the name issue first and then send the device and name up.

Alya's device

4. Eirikr the Eager

Change of holding name.

The submitter's original name Eirikr Þorolfsson was returned by Laurel on the January 2005 LoAR for aural conflict, at this time the holding name "Eirikr of Ynys Fawr" was created.

The submitter request a name, he doesn't make any requests for authenticity and will allow any changes.

Eirikr (Eir{i'}kr) is listed on page 9 of Geirr Bassi Haraldsson's "The Old Norse Name", there having been 12 instances of the name in the Landn?mab?k from which Geirr Bassi was partially drawn. Eirikr (Eir{i'}kr) also occurs as a header spelling in Lind's "Norsk-Isl?ndska Dopnamn ock Fingerade Namn fr?n Medeltiden". The name seems to have been extremely common; citations from 951 and 1000 show the desired spelling.

Eager appears in the Oxford English Dictionary, with several different meanings in period. The following is an account of the different period spellings and meanings of the word:

Meaning pungent and associated with disease:
egre 1374 (Chaucer)& 1544
eigre 1575
ægre 1601

Meaning cold or biting weather:
eager 1601 (Shakespeare)

Meaning of words biting or sharp:
egre 1386 (Chaucer)
eager 1593 (Shakespeare)

Meaning sour of taste:
egyr 1350
egre 1460-1470
eager 1575
aygre 1602 (Shakespeare)

Meaning of a cutting tool biting or sharp:
eager 1611

Meaning imperfectly tempered metal:
eager 1580

Meaning of beasts of prey fierce:
egre 1386 (Chaucer)
egar 1530
eager 1580

Meaning hungry as applied to falcons (see previous entry):
eegre 1486
eagre 1575

Meaning of people or creatures strenuous, ardent, fierce or angry:
egre 1297, 1380 & 1475
egor 1400
egyr 1485
eigre 1555
ægre 1610

Meaning of people keen:
eger 1400 & 1596
eigre 1501
eager 1647

We note that eager also had a meaning in period of people to be annoying or irritating which is now obsolete having died out in the 1580s, it seems to have been a more common meaning of the word as applied to people than the modern "keen". Thus, someone in period called "the Eager" is likely to have this meaning or the fierce or angry connotation associated with them. We imagine such a person would readily pick bar fights!

Of the meanings cited above which apply to people we have the desired spelling of eager from 1647 which is just before the SCA compatibility cut off of 1650. A more period form would be the common spelling eger, however the desired spelling is allowed. We have pended this to write to the submitter and explain that in period the connotations of the name "the eager" would be fairly negative and that the word also meant "annoying, irritating, fierce or angry" in case he wants to change his mind!

We note also that the combination of Norse and English in a name is a weirdness. We can document bynames meaning "keen" in norse and thus should be able to use the lingua anglica allowance to support this submission.

5. Hagen von Dürnstein

Argent, a fox rampant within an orle gules.

New name and device submission.

The submitter seeks a name of unspecified gender, makes no request for authenticity but will accept any changes.

Hagen is found in Socin, on page 567, with 13th century citations for Hagen von Lorrach and Hagen Sigrist.

Dürnstein is the modern name for a town on the banks of the Danube in Austria. It was here that Richard the Lionheart was held in captivity. We could find no period evidence for the modern spelling of the name. A 1650 map of Bohemia viewable from includes the town with the spelling Tyrnstain. Further the municipal website of the town states that the original name of the city was Tyrnstein. We could find no other period places called Dürnstein.

We are pending this to ask the submitter what to do with regard to the surname as he has indicated that he wishes to have the modern but undocumentable form.

Hagen's device

News from Laurel LoARs

From Laurel's January Letter of Acceptance and Return

The were no Lochac submission considered on the January 2006 LoAR.