From Baryl - May Meeting Results

The May meeting was held on Wednesday 10th May 2006. Present at the meeting were Wakeline de Foxley, Crux Australis Herald; Massaria da Cortona, Baryl Herald; Francis of Hexam, Drommond Pursivant; Hrolf Herjolfssen Herald Extraordinary, Snorri Bldhdrekkr ar dhinslundi and Declan of Drogheda Pursuivants Extraordinary and interested onlookers Beatrix Aetholsdotter of Jelling, Ascelin d'Ypres, Drusticc inigena Eddarrnonn, Anselm de Calabria, Winnifred, Clare Renshaw, David of Darlintone and two other gentles whose names are not known to me .


Submissions Forwarded to Laurel

1. Æsa Hrólfsdóttir

New name and device submission.

Azure, a sun in splendour and on a chief Or two ravens respectant azure.

The submitter seeks a feminine name authentic for the Norse language/culture. She will allow minor changes, and in the event of such changes cares most about language/culture.

Æsa can be found in Geirr-Bassi as a feminine given name. Hrólfr can be found in the same work as a masculine given name. The formation of the patronymic follows the pattern set out in Geirr-Bassi.

Æsa's device

2. Annabelle Perrot

New name and device submission.

Gules, two lions rampant addorsed tails entwined Or langued and clawed azure and on a chief dancetty Or, five annuli azure.

The submitter requests an authentic English/French/Scottish feminine name from between 1450 and 1550. She wants the name to be authentic for both language and time period and will allow only minor changes.

This name was originally submitted in April 2006 and pended by Crux for lack of documentation for the given name Annabelle. Crux has contacted the submitter and discussed this matter and decided to proceed with the submission noting the perferred documentable form Anabelle which appears in the early 1400s as documented in Saint Gabriel report #1011 in the LoI.

Under the header spelling Ananbel(la), Withycombe lists several variants of the name, including Annabel, Anabel, Anabill, Anabul, Annable and Annaple. Annabella is said to be the Latinized version of the name. No variant of the name with the desired spelling Annabelle is cited.

Variants of Annabel can also be found in Reaney and Wilson, as evidenced by Talan Gwyneks article "Feminine Given Names in 'A Dictionary of English Surnames'" [http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/reaney/reaney.cgi?Annabel, accessed 18/01/2006]. Cited variants of the name include Anabel, Anabella, Anabille etc. Again there is no evidence for the desired spelling. We note however previous registration of the desired spelling, so have not changed the submitted name in the hope that the College may find the required evidence. If the name must be changed from the requested spelling then the submitter would prefer Anabelle as an alternative. This alternative is one of the spellings cited in Saint Gabriel report #1011 [http://www.s-gabriel.org/1011, accessed 24/05/06].

Perrot is found in "Given Names from Brittany, 1384-1600" by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn dated to 1444 [ http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/tangwystyl/latebreton/, accessed 22nd April 2006.] It is also found in Black which lists Perrot s.n. Parratt, Parrott, Perratt, Perret as a common French variant of the name.

Anabelle's device

3. Ava del Mas

Device resubmission.

Purpure, a chalice Or and on a bordure argent an orle of ivy vert.

This device was originally returned by Crux in January 2006 as it was felt to not be representative of period heraldry. The depiction of the vine was thought to be inconsistent with period heraldic practice and we could not find a single instance of such a motif in period heraldry. After discussing the submission with Ava in person at Festival, Crux feels that this version is acceptable and has sent it on to the CoA for consideration.

The submitter's name was registered on the November 2005 LoAR.

Ava's device

4. Avery of the Wode

Quarterly azure and argent, in bend sinister two winged serpent embowed, counterembowed sable.

Name and device Resubmission.

The submitter's original name "Avery the Seeker" was returned in March 2006 by Crux for lack of documentation of the element "the Seeker". This version is completely different and so has none of the previous problems. Originally submitted as "Avery of the Wood" it was pended in April 2006 as Crux wished to alter the spelling of "Wood" to the period form "Wode" to met the submitters request for authenticity (see below). The submitter's original device "Gyronny sable and vet a dragon's eye Or" was return in March 2006 by Crux as it violated RfS VIII.2.b(iv)and the primary charge is no longer registerable in the SCA. This version is completely different and so has none of the previous problems. The second version of this device "Quarterly azure and argent, in bend sinister a winged serpent and a winged serpent contourny embowed, counterembowed sable" was pended by Crux with the name in April 2006 and the submitter was asked to consider the more period style of having the charges faced the same way. The submitter agreed with Crux's suggestion and the device was altered to its current form.

The submitter requests an authentic 13th century English masculine name and will allow only minor changes.

Avery is found in Saint Gabriel Report # 838 as an English given name dated to 1273 [www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/838.txt, accessed 27th of January 2006].

We find several 13th centuries versions of locative bynames s.n. Wood all spelt as Wode in Reaney and Wilson; de la Wode dated to 1242, del Wode dated to 1274, Atewode dated to 1274, the Wode and a la Wode dated to 1275, in la Wode dated to 1279, of the Wode dated to 1285 and at the Wode dated to 1293. All of the above examples are locative bynames relating to residence in or near a wood, however there are other 13th century citations for the name from it's alternate meaning; le Wode which occurs in 1221, Wod which is found in 1230 and le Wod dated to 1275. The alternate meaning for wode is "frenzied or wild" hence Shakespeare's "And here am I, and wood within the wood" from A Midsummer Night's Dream.

The earliest use of Wood in a name element we could document was from the mid 1500s. We are thus changing the spelling of the locative byname to "Wode" to met his request for authenticity.

Avery's device

5. Ayla Bogenschütze

Argent, on a chevron between two bows in chevron strung to base and a quiver with three arrows purpure, four horse shoes inverted argent.

Name and Device Resubmission.

The submitter requests an authentic 15th century German feminine name meaning "Ayla the horse archer". This name was originally submitted as "Alya die Pferd Bogenschütze" which was pended by Crux in March 2006 as it was improperly constructed and as the submitter would only allow only minor changes we could not correct it. She has since agreed that we can drop the elements "die Pferd".

Ayla is found in "15th Century German Women's names" by Talan Gwynek [ www.s-gabriel.org/docs/german15f.html, accessed 23rd of January 2006]. It is also found as a Frankish given name in the Saint Gabriel Report # 706 [www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/706.txt, accessed 31st of January 2006].

We can document Bogenschütz as a 15th Century German surname. We find dated example for men with the surname Bogenschtz in 1435 and 1499 in "Etymologisches Woerterbuch der deutschen Familiennamen" by Brechenmacher on page 172 under the header spelling Bogenschtz.

The submitter's original device "Argent, on a chevron between a bow fesswise strung to base and a quiver with three arrows purpure, four horse shoes inverted argent" was return in March 2006 by Crux for a redraw as the chevron was too low. Were delighted that the submitter took our suggestions for a reblazon and included two bows instead which gives a much better balanced device when she resubmitted the device in April 2006. Unfortunately we were forced to pend it at that time due to problems with her name. Now that those issues are resolved the device may be sent to Laurel.

Alya's device

6. Bertram of Saint Monica

New name submission (see Returns for device).

The submitter seeks a male name and makes no request for authenticity. He will accept any changes.

Talan Gwynek's "Medieval German Given Names from Silesia" [http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/bahlow_v.htm, accessed 25/01/2006] cites an instance of Bertram as having occurred in 1387.

Saint Monica is an SCA group whose name was registered in June of 1989 via the West Kingdom.

7. Catalina de Gata

Vert, on a bend sinister argent three lions heads erased gules.

Device Resubmission.

This submitter has a long history of resubmissions with the Crux office. The submitter's original device "Gules, on a bend Or three lions' heads palewise gules" was return by Crux in October 2001 for conflict with Sebastian de Ventbarré "Gules, on a bend sinister Or, three wings palewise, each terminating in a hand brandishing a sword sable". In November 2005 the submitter resubmitted the device and provided an email from Sebastian of Ventbarré stating he was happy to allow permission to conflict. However, as emails do not contain a signature they are not an acceptable medium for what is a legal document waving the right of unique arms in the SCA. While Sebastian seemed quite happy to give the permission he never supplied a signed document to that effect. Crux pended the submission to try to get a signed document. In the meantime Catalina has decided to change device by selecting a different field, bend tincture and orientation.

The submitters name was registered on the March 2002 LoAR.

Catalina's device

8. David de Derlington

Gules, on a fess between three leopard's faces Or three cross crosslets gules.

New name and device submission.

The submitter seeks a masculine name and makes no request for authenticity. He will allow minor changes and in the event of such changes cares most about sound.

David appears as a header spelling in Withycombe. The name is said to have originated as Hebrew and used in Wales and Scotland as early as 601 and 1084 respectively. It first appears in England in the 12th century.

de Derlington is cited s.n. Darlington in Reaney and Wilson as having occurred in 1258-9. (Note that it doesn't appear in the 2nd edition of this work.)

David's device

9. Draco de Euruic

Gules, a triskelion of dragon's heads and on a bordure argent an orle sable.

New name and device submission.

The submitter seeks a male name and makes no request for authenticity. He will allow minor changes, and in the event of such changes cares most about meaning and sound.

Draco is said to be cited in Morlet s.n. Drag-. We don't have access to this work, so can't check the citation but will send it forward to the CoA for verification.

Euruic appears in Ekwall s.n. York. This is cited as the variant of York that appeared in the Domesday Book.

Draco's device

10. Eirikr the Eager

Change of holding name.

The submitter's original name Eirikr Þorolfsson was returned by Laurel on the January 2005 LoAR for aural conflict, at this time the holding name "Eirikr of Ynys Fawr" was created.

The submitter request a name, he doesn't make any requests for authenticity and will allow any changes.

Eirikr (Eir{i'}kr) is listed on page 9 of Geirr Bassi Haraldsson's "The Old Norse Name", there having been 12 instances of the name in the Landn?mab?k from which Geirr Bassi was partially drawn. Eirikr (Eir{i'}kr) also occurs as a header spelling in Lind's "Norsk-Isl?ndska Dopnamn ock Fingerade Namn fr?n Medeltiden". The name seems to have been extremely common; citations from 951 and 1000 show the desired spelling.

Eager appears in the Oxford English Dictionary, with several different meanings in period. The following is an account of the different period spellings and meanings of the word:

Meaning pungent and associated with disease:
egre 1374 (Chaucer)& 1544
eigre 1575
ægre 1601

Meaning cold or biting weather:
eager 1601 (Shakespeare)

Meaning of words biting or sharp:
egre 1386 (Chaucer)
eager 1593 (Shakespeare)

Meaning sour of taste:
egyr 1350
egre 1460-1470
eager 1575
aygre 1602 (Shakespeare)

Meaning of a cutting tool biting or sharp:
eager 1611

Meaning imperfectly tempered metal:
eager 1580

Meaning of beasts of prey fierce:
egre 1386 (Chaucer)
egar 1530
eager 1580

Meaning hungry as applied to falcons (see previous entry):
eegre 1486
eagre 1575

Meaning of people or creatures strenuous, argent, fierce or angry:
egre 1297, 1380 & 1475
egor 1400
egyr 1485
eigre 1555
ægre 1610

Meaning of people keen:
eger 1400 & 1596
eigre 1501
eager 1647

We note that eager also had a meaning in period of people to be annoying or irritating which is now obsolete having died out in the 1580s, it seems to have been a more common meaning of the word as applied to people than the modern "keen". Thus, someone in period called "the Eager" is likely to have this meaning or the fierce or angry connotation associated with them. We imagine such a person would readily pick bar fights!

Of the meanings cited above which apply to people we have the desired spelling of eager from 1647 which is just before the SCA compatibility cut off of 1650. A more period form would be the common spelling eger, however the desired spelling is allowed.

We note also that the combination of Norse and English in a name is a weirdness. We can document bynames meaning "keen" in norse and thus should be able to use the lingua anglica allowance to support this submission.

11. Eleyne de Comnocke

Blanket letter of permission to conflict with name.

The submitter has included a letter that conforms to the standard letter given in appendix D of the Administrative Handbook. She additionally notes that he grants permission for registration of names identical to her registered name (should that ever become possible).

12. Eleyne de Comnocke

Blanket letter of permission to conflict with device.

The submitter has included a letter that grants permission for submitter's to register devices at least one countable difference away from her registered device "Purpure, a saltire and on a chief argent, three roses purpure barbed vert and seeded Or". The letter conforms to the standard letter given in appendix D of the Administrative Handbook. The submitter's device was registered on the October 2004 LoAR.

13. Eleyne de Comnocke

Release of device.

Per saltire argent and purpure, in pale two roses and in fess two wolves salient counterchanged.

This device was registered in April 1996 via Caid. The submitter registered another device in October 2004 via Lochac: "Purpure, a saltire and on a chief argent, three roses purpure barbed vert and seeded Or". By the forms, the earlier device was supposed to be released upon registration of the later device, but the LoI did not state that and Laurel did not release the earlier device. This action corrects the situation.

14. Eleyne de Comnocke

Addition of joint owner owner Kaspar von Helmenstede for badge.

(Fieldless) A mascle quarterly purpure and Or.

This badge was registered in August of 2004. The submission stated that it was to be jointly owned by Kaspar von Helmenstede (name also registered August 2004), but this was fact was omitted from the LoI and was not noted by Laurel. This action corrects the situation.

15. Hagen von Dürnstein

Argent, a fox rampant within an orle gules.

New name and device submission.

The submitter seeks a name of unspecified gender, makes no request for authenticity but will accept any changes.

This name was originally pended in April 2006 by Crux for lack of documentation for the element Dürnstein.

Hagen is found in Socin, on page 567, with 13th century citations for Hagen von Lorrach and Hagen Sigrist.

Dürnstein is the modern name for a town on the banks of the Danube in Austria. It was here that Richard the Lionheart was held in captivity. We could find no period evidence for the modern spelling of the name. A 1650 map of Bohemia viewable from http://alabamamaps.ua.edu/historicalmaps/europe/centraleurope.html includes the town with the spelling Tyrnstain. Further the municipal website of the town states that the original name of the city was Tyrnstein. We could find no other period places called Dürnstein. (The submitter, who is Austrian made calls to Austria which verified that Tyrnstain was indeed the originally spelling of the town).

The submitter will accept this alternate spelling Tyrnstain if the college is unable to find evidence for the submitted form.

Hagen's device

16. John Bucstan de Glonn

Per chevron azure and gules, a fleur-de-lys and an orle Or.

Device Resubmission.

This submitter originally submitted the device "Per fess indented azure and gules, in chief two fleur-de-lys Or" to Crux in May 2005 and then subsequently requested it to be withdrawn from consideration by the College of Arms, as recorded on Lochac's July LoI. He then submitted a version of this design which was returned by Crux in September 2005 as the line of division was incorrectly located. This version corrects the previous problem.

The submitters name was registered on the September 2005 LoAR.

John's device

17. Katherine Kerr of the Hermitage

Per fess and per pale embattled argent and sable, in bend two boarhound's heads couped close and in bend sinister two towers palewise all counterchanged.

Name and Device Resubmission (Appeal).

The submitter seeks a feminine name authentic for 16th century Scotland. She will allow minor changes and in the event of such changes cares most about sound.

Three instances of Katherine are cited in Talan Gwynek's "A List of Feminine Personal Names Found in Scottish Records Part Three: Post-1400 Names" [http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/scottishfem/scottishfemlate.html, accessed 25th May 2006]. The three citations are from 1512, 1542 and 1564.

Kerr appears in Black on pg 394, where it is dated to 1357.

of the Hermitage is a locative byname referring to the Hermitage fortress. Period references to the castle's name are reproduced in Steel "He was carried to his castle of Hermitage in a condition such as to make his recovery uncertain" and Bingham "…that I wish Stirling of Jedburgh, Glasgow to be the Hermitage, and I the Earl of Bothwell as I lie here, …".

This device was previously returned in kingdom because the boarhounds were not considered identifiable. The submitter has provided an image of a Garter stall plate said to be original dating from circa 1483/4 (she has provided a letter from the Assistant Archivist of St. George's chapel on the matter). This crest on this stall plate is provided as documentation of the depiction of the boarhound. Unfortunately, we don't believe that the crest looks much like the submitted boarhounds, particularly in the muzzle area, which we believe is an important distinguishing feature of a hound.

The original submission of this name and device was pended by Crux in March 2004 for lack of documentation for the name. It was reconsidered at the April 2004 meeting and returned by the interim Crux for "lack of supporting documentation; probable conflict with famous mundane author Katharine Kerr; and being of incompatible with period content".

The previous return for name conflict with the author Katharine Kerr is erroneous as the addition of the element "of the Hermitage" clears the conflict. We are not sure what "lack of supporting documentation" or "being of incompatible with period content" refers to but suspect it is for the construction of the name using "of the Hermitage" which is not clear from the previous information. The device was returned as the boarhounds's heads were not identifiable and not considered to be depicted in a period style.

The submitter is appealing the previous Crux return and so the submission will now be sent straight to Laurel. We agree that the previous return was not an accurate reflection of the rules and did not clearly indicate under which rule the submission was being returned. There is sufficient documentation for the name construction and the submitter has argued that the boarhound's heads are of a period style as evidenced by the crest on the Garter stall plate shown below. Garther Stall Plate

While the majority of people present at the meeting felt that the depiction of the boarhounds's heads on the device did not match that shown on the Garter stall plate and that they were still unidentifiable, as an appeal it must be sent to Laurel regardless.

Katherine's device

18. Magdalena da Colle Santa Lucia

Argent, an hourglass azure within a bordure potent vert.

Name and Device Resubmission.

This name and device were originally returned by Crux in May 2005. The name was returned because although the submitter provided several extracts from an Italian book as evidence for the place Colle Santa Lucia, she did not include copies of the title page. This device was returned for a redraw as the bordure was not drawn correctly. This submission corrects all of these problems.

The submitter seeks a feminine name authentic for Italy. She will allow minor changes and in the event of such changes cares most about meaning.

Magdalena is cited as a 14th/15th century Florentine name can be found in Rhian Lyth of Blackmoor Vale's "Italian Renaissance Women's Names" [http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/rhian/italian.htmlm accessed 15 March 2005].

Colle Santa Lucia is a small town in Northern Italy. The submitter has provided a number of citations from an Italian language book, Pallabazzer and Chizzali. The book contains numerous references to the Church of Santa Lucia, after which the town is said to be named, but it is not clear whether the form of the name was as submitted in early times. A representative translated quote is "First mention of the Church of St. Lucia goes back to 1336…".

Thankfully, the book contains a German document dated 1300-1600 which refers to the town. "Ess hat in diser herrschaft ein stadliches grosses perkwerk von eisen und stachel bei dem dorf Col Sa. Lucia…" - In this dominion there are iron mines, quite considerable, situated near the village of Colle St. Lucia.

Magdalena's device

19. Rosamond de Montford

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New name submission (see Returns for device).

The submitter seeks a feminine name and makes no request for authenticity. She will accept any changes and cares most about sound if such changes prove necessary.

Rosamond occurs as a header spelling in Withycombe. The name is said to derive from Old German Rosamunda and was introduced into England by the Normans. Rosamond is dated to 1282.

Montford appears as a header in Reaney and Wilson. Several variants of the name are cited, including Montfort, (1086), Munford (1082) and Muntford (1200) as well as the desired spelling in 1086.

20. Tatiana Konstantiniya Ruslanova

Purpure, three serpents embowed and interlaced within a bordure nebuly argent.

New Name and Device submission.

The submitter seeks a feminine name authentic for the Russian language/culture. She will allow minor changes and cares most about sound in the event of such changes.

Tatiana appears in Saint Gabriel report #113 [http://www.s-gabriel.org/113, accessed 19/07/2005]. The name is said to derive from a 3rd century Greek martyr and was adopted into Russian. It is first found in Russian in 1356. Tatiana also occurs in the Tatiana Nikolaevna Tumanova's "The Complete Russian Name Book", where it is said to derive from Tatius, a Sabine king.

Konstantiniya also appears in the same work as a feminine form of Konstantin. The submitter omitted the final "I" from this name element. We have added it to match the documentation, though we are unsure whether the submitted form could be a plausible variation.

Ruslanovna appears s.n. Ruslan as a patronymic form. The submitter omitted the final "n" from this name element. Paul Goldschmidt's "Paul Goldschmidt's Dictionary of Russian Names - Grammar" [http://www.sca.org/heraldry/paul/zgrammar.html, accessed 25th May 2006], seems to indicate that Ruslanova is a sensible feminine patronymic.

Tatiana's device


Submissions Returned by Crux

1. Bertram of Saint Monica

New device submission.

Sable, a raven close and a base urdy argent.

We are returning this for a redraw as the base is too large and the divisions should be of equal sizes. In addition the emblazon has been cut and pasted onto the forms and is not quite the right size leaving a thing argent bordure around the edge.

Bertram's device

2. Killian Nachtmann

New and device submission.

Sable a winged lion dormant contourny wings elevated and in chief three compass stars argent

The submitter wishes a masculine name of unspecified time or culture with the meaning "Killian Night Watchman"

The name is being returned for insufficient documentation of the element "Nachtmann" which is literally "night man" and not night watchman. We can document Nachtwachte to 1305 but it is unclear from the submission if this would be better or in fact if German is his desired language given that Killian is a Gaelic name.

This device is being returned for a redraw as the compass stars are too small and off centre. It appears to be clear at this time.

Killian's device

3. Rosamond de Montford

New device submission.

Gyronny sable and ermine a rose gules barbed and seeded proper.

This device is being returned for multiple conflicts with Judith the Rose "Argent, a rose gules slipped and leaved proper" [registered October '98] and the badge of the House of Lancaster, House of "(Fieldless) A rose gules". In each case there is 1CD for the field, but there is nothing for the slip or the barbing and seeding.

Rosamond's device


News from Laurel LoARs

From Laurel's February Letter of Acceptance and Return

Acceptances

Clovis Tacitus. Name and device. Argent, a rustre ployé throughout, a bordure vert.

Submitted as Clovis Virius Tacitus, the given name was documented as Carolingian, but the formation was based on the classical Roman tria nomina. No documentation was submitted and none found to suggest that the tria nomina style of naming was used by the Carolingians. However, there is ample evidence of Carolingian names consisting of a given name and a cognomen of some sort recorded in Latin. The submitter only accepted minor changes but specifically allowed dropping the element Virius. We have changed the name to Clovis Tacitus in order to register it. The name Clovis Tacitus is a fully Latin version of a name that might have been used by a Carolingian. However, the spelling Clovis is a later Latin form of a name found in Latin documents in the 5th and 6th C as Chlodovechus. If the submitter is interested in a Latin form of the name appropriate to the Carolingian period, we suggest Chlodovechus Tacitus.

Iosbail inghean Mhartainn mhic Dhonnchaidh. Name.

Submitted as Iosbail inghean Mhartainn mhic Donnchaidh, Gaelic grammar requires that the second patronymic be lenited. We have changed the name to Iosbail inghean Mhartainn mhic Dhonnchaidh to correct the grammar.

Konrad von Strassburg. Device. Per bend sinister embattled argent and sable, an eagle sable within a bordure counterchanged.

Leifr Hrafnsson. Name.

Ludwig von Lichtenstein. Name.

Returns

Southron Gaard, Barony of. Augmentation. Gules, a tower Or within a laurel wreath, in chief three mullets argent, all within a bordure embattled Or and for augmentation, on a canton azure four crescents conjoined in saltire points outward argent.

Unfortunately, this must be returned for redraw. The base device does not match the barony's current device, Gules, a tower Or, the base environed of a laurel wreath, in chief three mullets argent, all within a bordure embattled Or, which means that this is a change of device as well as an augmentation. This is a much better design than their current device and we encourage the barony to submit a device change to match the base emblazon submitted here along with the resubmission of the augmentation. This is an acceptable form of augmentation, even though one of the mullets is obscured.