The May meeting was held on Wednesday 10th May 2006.
Present at the meeting were Wakeline de Foxley, Crux Australis Herald;
Massaria da Cortona, Baryl Herald; Francis of Hexam, Drommond Pursivant;
Hrolf Herjolfssen Herald Extraordinary, Snorri Bldhdrekkr ar dhinslundi and
Declan of Drogheda Pursuivants Extraordinary and interested onlookers
Beatrix Aetholsdotter of Jelling, Ascelin d'Ypres, Drusticc inigena Eddarrnonn,
Anselm de Calabria, Winnifred, Clare Renshaw, David of Darlintone and two
other gentles whose names are not known to me .
1. Æsa Hrólfsdóttir New name and device submission. Azure, a sun in splendour and on a chief Or two ravens respectant azure.
The submitter seeks a feminine name authentic for the Norse
language/culture. She will allow minor changes, and in the event of
such changes cares most about language/culture. |
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2. Annabelle Perrot New name and device submission. Gules, two lions rampant addorsed tails entwined Or langued and clawed azure and on a chief dancetty Or, five annuli azure.
The submitter requests an authentic English/French/Scottish feminine
name from between 1450 and 1550. She wants the name to be authentic
for both language and time period and will allow only minor changes. |
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3. Ava del Mas Device resubmission. Purpure, a chalice Or and on a bordure argent an orle of ivy vert.
This device was originally returned by Crux in January 2006 as it was
felt to not be representative of period heraldry. The depiction of the
vine was thought to be inconsistent with period heraldic practice and
we could not find a single instance of such a motif in period
heraldry. After discussing the submission with Ava in person at
Festival, Crux feels that this version is acceptable and has sent it
on to the CoA for consideration. |
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4. Avery of the Wode Quarterly azure and argent, in bend sinister two winged serpent embowed, counterembowed sable. Name and device Resubmission.
The submitter's original name "Avery the Seeker" was returned in
March 2006 by Crux for lack of documentation of the element
"the Seeker". This version is completely different and so
has none of the previous problems. Originally submitted as
"Avery of the Wood" it was pended in April 2006 as Crux wished
to alter the spelling of "Wood" to the period form "Wode" to met the
submitters request for authenticity (see below).
The submitter's original device "Gyronny sable and vet a dragon's
eye Or" was return in March 2006 by Crux as it violated RfS
VIII.2.b(iv)and the primary charge is no longer registerable in the
SCA. This version is completely different and so has none of the
previous problems. The second version of this device "Quarterly
azure and argent, in bend sinister a winged serpent and a winged
serpent contourny embowed, counterembowed sable" was pended by Crux
with the name in April 2006 and the submitter was asked to consider
the more period style of having the charges faced the same way. The
submitter agreed with Crux's suggestion and the device was altered
to its current form.
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5. Ayla Bogenschütze Argent, on a chevron between two bows in chevron strung to base and a quiver with three arrows purpure, four horse shoes inverted argent. Name and Device Resubmission.
The submitter requests an authentic 15th century German feminine
name meaning "Ayla the horse archer". This name was originally submitted
as "Alya die Pferd Bogenschütze" which was pended
by Crux in March 2006 as it was improperly constructed and as the
submitter would only allow only minor changes we could not correct
it. She has since agreed that we can drop the elements "die Pferd". |
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6. Bertram of Saint Monica New name submission (see Returns for device).
The submitter seeks a male name and makes no request for authenticity.
He will accept any changes. |
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7. Catalina de Gata Vert, on a bend sinister argent three lions heads erased gules. Device Resubmission.
This submitter has a long history of resubmissions with the Crux office.
The submitter's original device "Gules, on a bend Or three lions'
heads palewise gules" was return by Crux in October 2001 for
conflict with Sebastian de Ventbarré "Gules, on a bend sinister Or,
three wings palewise, each terminating in a hand brandishing a sword
sable". In November 2005 the submitter resubmitted the device
and provided an email from Sebastian of Ventbarré stating he was happy
to allow permission to conflict. However, as emails do not contain a
signature they are not an acceptable medium for what is a legal
document waving the right of unique arms in the SCA. While Sebastian
seemed quite happy to give the permission he never supplied a signed
document to that effect. Crux pended the submission to try to get a
signed document. In the meantime Catalina has decided to change
device by selecting a different field, bend tincture and orientation.
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8. David de Derlington Gules, on a fess between three leopard's faces Or three cross crosslets gules. New name and device submission.
The submitter seeks a masculine name and makes no request for
authenticity. He will allow minor changes and in the event of such
changes cares most about sound. |
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9. Draco de Euruic Gules, a triskelion of dragon's heads and on a bordure argent an orle sable. New name and device submission.
The submitter seeks a male name and makes no request for
authenticity. He will allow minor changes, and in the event of such
changes cares most about meaning and sound. |
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10. Eirikr the Eager Change of holding name.
The submitter's original name Eirikr Þorolfsson was returned by
Laurel on the January 2005 LoAR for aural conflict, at this time
the holding name "Eirikr of Ynys Fawr" was created. eager 1601 (Shakespeare) Meaning of words biting or sharp: egre 1386 (Chaucer) eager 1593 (Shakespeare) Meaning sour of taste: egyr 1350 egre 1460-1470 eager 1575 aygre 1602 (Shakespeare) Meaning of a cutting tool biting or sharp: eager 1611 Meaning imperfectly tempered metal: eager 1580 Meaning of beasts of prey fierce: egre 1386 (Chaucer) egar 1530 eager 1580 Meaning hungry as applied to falcons (see previous entry): eegre 1486 eagre 1575 Meaning of people or creatures strenuous, argent, fierce or angry: egre 1297, 1380 & 1475 egor 1400 egyr 1485 eigre 1555 ægre 1610 Meaning of people keen: eger 1400 & 1596 eigre 1501 eager 1647 We note that eager also had a meaning in period of people to be annoying or irritating which is now obsolete having died out in the 1580s, it seems to have been a more common meaning of the word as applied to people than the modern "keen". Thus, someone in period called "the Eager" is likely to have this meaning or the fierce or angry connotation associated with them. We imagine such a person would readily pick bar fights! Of the meanings cited above which apply to people we have the desired spelling of eager from 1647 which is just before the SCA compatibility cut off of 1650. A more period form would be the common spelling eger, however the desired spelling is allowed. We note also that the combination of Norse and English in a name is a weirdness. We can document bynames meaning "keen" in norse and thus should be able to use the lingua anglica allowance to support this submission. |
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11. Eleyne de Comnocke Blanket letter of permission to conflict with name.
The submitter has included a letter that conforms to the standard
letter given in appendix D of the Administrative Handbook. She
additionally notes that he grants permission for registration of
names identical to her registered name (should that ever become
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12. Eleyne de Comnocke Blanket letter of permission to conflict with device.
The submitter has included a letter that grants permission for
submitter's to register devices at least one countable difference
away from her registered device "Purpure, a saltire and on a chief
argent, three roses purpure barbed vert and seeded Or". The letter
conforms to the standard letter given in appendix D of the
Administrative Handbook. The submitter's device was registered on
the October 2004 LoAR. |
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13. Eleyne de Comnocke Release of device. Per saltire argent and purpure, in pale two roses and in fess two wolves salient counterchanged.
This device was registered in April 1996 via Caid. The submitter
registered another device in October 2004 via Lochac: "Purpure, a
saltire and on a chief argent, three roses purpure barbed vert and
seeded Or". By the forms, the earlier device was supposed to be
released upon registration of the later device, but the LoI did not
state that and Laurel did not release the earlier device. This
action corrects the situation. |
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14. Eleyne de Comnocke Addition of joint owner owner Kaspar von Helmenstede for badge. (Fieldless) A mascle quarterly purpure and Or.
This badge was registered in August of 2004. The submission stated
that it was to be jointly owned by Kaspar von Helmenstede (name also
registered August 2004), but this was fact was omitted from the LoI
and was not noted by Laurel. This action corrects the situation. |
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15. Hagen von Dürnstein Argent, a fox rampant within an orle gules. New name and device submission.
The submitter seeks a name of unspecified gender, makes no request for
authenticity but will accept any changes. |
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16. John Bucstan de Glonn Per chevron azure and gules, a fleur-de-lys and an orle Or. Device Resubmission.
This submitter originally submitted the device "Per fess indented
azure and gules, in chief two fleur-de-lys Or" to Crux in May 2005
and then subsequently requested it to be withdrawn from consideration
by the College of Arms, as recorded on Lochac's July LoI.
He then submitted a version of this design which was returned by Crux
in September 2005 as the line of division was
incorrectly located. This version corrects the previous problem.
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17. Katherine Kerr of the Hermitage Per fess and per pale embattled argent and sable, in bend two boarhound's heads couped close and in bend sinister two towers palewise all counterchanged. Name and Device Resubmission (Appeal).
The submitter seeks a feminine name authentic for 16th century
Scotland. She will allow minor changes and in the event of such
changes cares most about sound.
While the majority of people present at the meeting felt that the
depiction of the boarhounds's heads on the device did not match that
shown on the Garter stall plate and that they were still unidentifiable,
as an appeal it must be sent to Laurel regardless.
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18. Magdalena da Colle Santa Lucia Argent, an hourglass azure within a bordure potent vert. Name and Device Resubmission.
This name and device were originally returned by Crux in May 2005.
The name was returned because although the submitter provided several
extracts from an Italian book as evidence for the place
Colle Santa Lucia, she did not include copies of the
title page. This device was returned for a redraw as the bordure was
not drawn correctly. This submission corrects all of these problems. |
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19. Rosamond de Montford . New name submission (see Returns for device).
The submitter seeks a feminine name and makes no request for
authenticity. She will accept any changes and cares most about sound
if such changes prove necessary. |
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20. Tatiana Konstantiniya Ruslanova Purpure, three serpents embowed and interlaced within a bordure nebuly argent. New Name and Device submission.
The submitter seeks a feminine name authentic for the Russian
language/culture. She will allow minor changes and cares most about
sound in the event of such changes. |
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1. Bertram of Saint Monica New device submission. Sable, a raven close and a base urdy argent.
We are returning this for a redraw as the base is too large and the
divisions should be of equal sizes. In addition the emblazon has been
cut and pasted onto the forms and is not quite the right size leaving
a thing argent bordure around the edge. |
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2. Killian Nachtmann New and device submission. Sable a winged lion dormant contourny wings elevated and in chief three compass stars argent
The submitter wishes a masculine name of unspecified time or culture
with the meaning "Killian Night Watchman" |
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3. Rosamond de Montford New device submission. Gyronny sable and ermine a rose gules barbed and seeded proper.
This device is being returned for multiple conflicts with
Judith the Rose "Argent, a rose gules slipped and leaved
proper" [registered October '98] and the badge of the House of
Lancaster, House of "(Fieldless) A rose gules". In each case
there is 1CD for the field, but there is nothing for the slip or the
barbing and seeding. |
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Acceptances
Clovis Tacitus. Name and device. Argent, a rustre ployé throughout, a bordure vert.
Submitted as Clovis Virius Tacitus, the given name was documented as Carolingian, but the formation was based on the classical Roman tria nomina. No documentation was submitted and none found to suggest that the tria nomina style of naming was used by the Carolingians. However, there is ample evidence of Carolingian names consisting of a given name and a cognomen of some sort recorded in Latin. The submitter only accepted minor changes but specifically allowed dropping the element Virius. We have changed the name to Clovis Tacitus in order to register it. The name Clovis Tacitus is a fully Latin version of a name that might have been used by a Carolingian. However, the spelling Clovis is a later Latin form of a name found in Latin documents in the 5th and 6th C as Chlodovechus. If the submitter is interested in a Latin form of the name appropriate to the Carolingian period, we suggest Chlodovechus Tacitus.
Iosbail inghean Mhartainn mhic Dhonnchaidh. Name.
Submitted as Iosbail inghean Mhartainn mhic Donnchaidh, Gaelic grammar requires that the second patronymic be lenited. We have changed the name to Iosbail inghean Mhartainn mhic Dhonnchaidh to correct the grammar.
Konrad von Strassburg. Device. Per bend sinister embattled argent and sable, an eagle sable within a bordure counterchanged.
Leifr Hrafnsson. Name.
Ludwig von Lichtenstein. Name.
Returns
Southron Gaard, Barony of. Augmentation. Gules, a tower Or within a laurel wreath, in chief three mullets argent, all within a bordure embattled Or and for augmentation, on a canton azure four crescents conjoined in saltire points outward argent.
Unfortunately, this must be returned for redraw. The base device does not match the barony's current device, Gules, a tower Or, the base environed of a laurel wreath, in chief three mullets argent, all within a bordure embattled Or, which means that this is a change of device as well as an augmentation. This is a much better design than their current device and we encourage the barony to submit a device change to match the base emblazon submitted here along with the resubmission of the augmentation. This is an acceptable form of augmentation, even though one of the mullets is obscured.